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Re: 800w LED vs 1000w HID

by SisterMaryElephant » Mon Mar 26, 2012 7:18 pm

The real advantage to growing outdoors is that the Sun is free. If I could build a "ultimate grow room" I could outgrow the Sun, it just wouldn't be as cheap.

Insects and pests are sure easier to deal with indoors and inside is still more private which is good too. It would be nice to just be able to toss a few seeds "down by the river" in spring and pick up the reward in the fall but I like the challenge of the grow too.

Disclaimer:
I still use HID and I'm NOT an LED expert. All of my LED knowledge is from other parties or research so I can't say from first hand experience one way or another. I also run a medical grow consulting business in SoCal.

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Re: 800w LED vs 1000w HID

by dickkhead » Wed Mar 28, 2012 9:09 pm

awesome comparison! im running my soalr storm up against a full white spectrum led 900 watt ( 750 actual draw) and a 900 watt bs uv.

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Re: 800w LED vs 1000w HID

by tonebone » Thu Mar 29, 2012 2:23 pm

dickkhead,

Thanks buddy. I'll check out your thread. Best of luck and good gardening.

dickkhead wrote:awesome comparison! im running my soalr storm up against a full white spectrum led 900 watt ( 750 actual draw) and a 900 watt bs uv.

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Re: 800w LED vs 1000w HID

by tonebone » Fri Mar 30, 2012 8:50 am

1 day away from the start of week 9 and I've been flushing since the beginning of week 8. 2 weeks of flush and we'll keep a close eye on the tricomes. I like to harvest when the plants have approx 30% each of clear, cloudy, amber resin glands.

This particular strain ends up with long, slender colas, unlike the fat, stout colas of Indica strains. But the effect of this plant is my favorite by far. Cerebral, up, fun and when vaped tastes of fruit, nuts, and gently sweet. But not sweet like you flushed with something to make it taste that way.

I'll do an ending round-up post when I harvest.
Here's a few pics-

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Re: 800w LED vs 1000w HID

by SisterMaryElephant » Fri Mar 30, 2012 12:57 pm

Looking good, almost there...

Are you running CO2 until harvest or do you stop before?

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Re: 800w LED vs 1000w HID

by tonebone » Fri Mar 30, 2012 1:18 pm

SisterMaryElephant wrote:Looking good, almost there...

Are you running CO2 until harvest or do you stop before?

Good question. I turn off the CO2 when I flush. Since there is no more Veg or Flower growth, we no longer need the elevated level of CO2 as there is really nothing more to build. A plant's leaves, flowers, stems, etc, and roots are made by collection and construction by way of O2, Co2, N, P, K and a host of other molecules. Plants are, what they can take from the atmosphere and earth. That process amazes me. Look at the giant redwoods. 500 ton beasts of collected carbon, nitrogen, phosphorus, potash, and everything else they absorb through their leaves and drink up through their root system. Giant factories that make a living breathing plant.

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Re: 800w LED vs 1000w HID

by SisterMaryElephant » Fri Mar 30, 2012 1:35 pm

Yeah, when my clients run CO2 I tell them to stop 2 weeks before harvest, I don't flush nearly that long.

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Re: 800w LED vs 1000w HID

by dickkhead » Sat Mar 31, 2012 4:35 pm

not that im an expert by any means. but why are you flushing when you still have white hairs? what nutes do you run? alot of guys that I ask who have 20+ years experience say they never flusch but they just taper nutes one guy ik of pulls 2-3 lbs per 1000 HID and believes they need food till the end?.... just my .02
on a side note it looks realy close between the 2!!

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Re: 800w LED vs 1000w HID

by tonebone » Sun Apr 01, 2012 1:12 pm

The white to red hair ratio is approx 50:50 right now.

The reason I flush for 2 weeks [3 separate waterings] is the nutes I use [House & Garden] contains a very very high amount of P, so much so that the soil, even after flushing cannot be reused as it will burn younger plants. To flush for 3 or 4 days is ridiculous and does absolutely nothing because in soil, it's only 1 watering. The plants are done flowering [no new growth] so, not only is it a waste to continue to feed them, it alters the final taste, to the point that I won't enjoy it

As far as how others "do it" - I do it how I do it, and have been growing since the mid 70s. The amount a grower pulls from his/her plants depends mostly on the strain and whether the plants are indoors or outdoors. Yield isn't everything. I know people growing using Hydro and they get huge yields, although after trying their product, I would quit smoking if that crap was all I could get. There are huge differences between growers and even between growers that write books on how to grow. You shouldn't compare one person to another, it's rude.

dickkhead wrote:not that im an expert by any means. but why are you flushing when you still have white hairs? what nutes do you run? alot of guys that I ask who have 20+ years experience say they never flusch but they just taper nutes one guy ik of pulls 2-3 lbs per 1000 HID and believes they need food till the end?.... just my .02
on a side note it looks realy close between the 2!!

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Re: 800w LED vs 1000w HID

by SisterMaryElephant » Sun Apr 01, 2012 2:10 pm

Easy there tonebone, I don't think he meant anything by it, he's just heard different things so he asked...to learn. He's not saying that your way is the wrong way...

Flushing is not a science, there is no one right way to do it. In soil it DOES take a little longer to flush than in hydro because soil acts like a buffer. In hydro, I only flush 1-2 days. While there is less growth the last two weeks, there is growth. Flowers put on weight and get much denser the last 2-3 weeks.

I've found that taste has a lot to do with genetics too, I've done blind taste tests on flushed vs unflushed and sometimes unflushed wins. IMHO, what affects taste more than flushing is a proper cure. Some of the best tasting meds I've tried were unflushed and I've had flushed meds that were harsh too. There are many ways to cure too, it depends on the person and desired end results.

YMMV...

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