I thought you were at "week 7" back in November; I assume this is a new grow?

Yeah almost done

Grand daddy came out darker in color this time around, it's a perfect plant for led it stays small barley stretches at all, seems to just love the light. I've been getting higher hash counts with led then I typically did with hid, after my third crop with this thing I can say it works well, the qualty seems to be higher, stikyer more resign production on fan leaves and steams. I'm yielding around 1gram per watt all day long. So if this actually last 5 years I'll be impressed. You just can't have huge tall plants, if you cater to the lights strengths you'll be successfully. I could probably yield more with 1000 watt in my 4x4 tent. But I would be have to run and air conditioner all the time and a 750cfm fan too cool the lights, no to mention I use about half the nutrients with led, I just grow for my self in a small 4x4 tent so this light is perfect, it's safe to run, doesn't get so hot and used 45% less just on the light so if you look at it from a $/watt perspective Im producing more bud with less money, just not As much all at once, for a big commercial grow I wouldn't recomend this light, for me it's perfect, I'm going to buy the 880, their is actually a whole new wave of sweet new lights coming out. Amazing how fast the technology Has come from the UFO and 1watt systems 5 years ago. So much eaiser to control climate with this light, so much cheaper to own and operate, definitely expensive to buy initially. The guy that runs my grow shop is anti led like all old timers lol, he looked at my setup then bought he 880 for his personal setup at home.

The radiant lights are dope they wireless connect to your router. They have built in timers and interface, you connect to the light from your computer and you can set a schedule have the light come on at 10% power and work it's way up, change spectrums in real time, look at your light from your phone to check temps etc, a company in Colorado that does medical grows is experimenting with a new lense concept and they are getting more of the light in the beam angle with mega results, they are produce ing more that you can with hid and the plants are finishing up quicker, about a week or so, inbox me for the link probably won't let me post it here

I'm not sure the math works out and I'm sure that less electricity use equals less yield out. If you use 45% less power use and get 45% less yield; then *I* would rather use more electricity since the electricity costs less than the grams of yield I would lose.

Also, I have to take the 1g/w claim with a grain of salt since nobody else here has hit that mark (based on the journals) and you never finished your GFP journal last time either.

That said all that really matters is that you like the light(s) and get good results regardless of the yield.


YMMV...

You should try it, actually use one of these led's

You obviously hate LEDs and are very objective and critical towards them.

Yes 45% less mostly because in veg mode it doesn't use 1000 watts like 1000 watt would and in flower it pulls around 700 from the wall. So if you add up the total power used over the time, then compared that to what you yeild. You produse bud more efficiently with this light.

You use less nutrients ,power, and reasources. Sure you don't produce quite as much but that doesn't always matter for everyone, sometimes being able to produce crops at lower temps with less reasources in small applications is worth more than the few extra points on a gram you get per watt

Power consumption is way higher with hid just on the light alone. now add in the air conditioning the 750 cc inline fan etc.

Now let say you're someone who only has a closet available to grow in, or it's super hot where you live, etc, obviously you can yield more with 300-400watts more power but not enough to make it worth the tremendous heat and power consumption on a small scale, a 4x4 area etc. Some people don't have room on their panel, another example. In order to grow properly with hid really you should have both hps and mh running at the same time during flower to get both spectrums, so that doubles your fans and hvac etc.

You may hate these lights and led technology, but at least approach these forums with an open mind. Technology has come and long way and is getting better

Can't wait to try the new light putting it in the Same 4x4 area with a light mover to probably get 5-10 percent more. I shall see.

I hope one day you can put your negative feelings towards these lights aside and start seeing where they excell and how these kinds of lights will enable people who thusly before wouldn't of been able to grow now can successfully because their scarred to hook up 1000hps light or don't have room in their panel or worried about fire hazards or getting caught through power consumption and heat signatures. These lights are safe and do work, Instead of wasting your time leaving negative comments about the technology tell people how to use these lights, what applications to use them in, and where not too like large scale commercial grows. Spread knowledge and kindness. This is the 800watt unit
I use btw not the 400 or the other I can't speak on those I've never used them

http://youtu.be/MVNxNVnkBPE

Heisenberg wrote:You should try it, actually use one of these led's

You obviously hate LEDs and are very objective and critical towards them.

I have a CLW SF200w LED grow light but I've been waiting for my back to heal before starting growing again.

You obviously don't know what "obviously" means since I've been very clear that LED lights work but they're just not the best growing technology available. That's far from "hating" LED. I've had plenty of good things to say about LED (some brands more than others) but I also have legitimate criticisms.

I disagree with your math and with good reason. Yes, while veg mode on a SS800w might be 45% less power than a 1000w light, the 1000w light will cover more area so again, your math fails. Nutrients, water, power and heat are all very cheap to deal with compared to the loss of yield by using smaller lights and especially with not enough w/sqft.

I'm not suggesting that a 1000w light is appropriate for tiny micro-grows but they make smaller HID lights too.

I don't "hate" LED lights despite your dishonest claim; I just know that LED isn't the best for growing. I've used an open mind and if you had read my early posts (you obviously haven't) you'd know that I was originally skeptical of LED even being able to flower decently but the journals proved that they are capable of growing "decent" flowers but the same journals also prove that HID is better for flowering in most cases. When you get down to the sub-400w perhaps LED might be able to keep up with equal powered HID grow lights but even the SS800w is bigger than that. I wouldn't even rate that light as high as a 600w HID and the SS has a few more watts.

I've literally helped hundreds of growers get the most from their LED lights; I think that's a pretty good use of my time and I think that most of the people I've helped would agree. Don't be angry because I point out the *truth* that LED is not KING of the grow lights. I've said for a long time that LED might become king one day (with more powerful diodes maybe) but it's not today nor was it 2.5 years ago when I got here.

On the upside, I did get a good laugh out of that video.


Hope that helps but it wont...

4 plants used lst technique to get so many tops probably looking at around 4-6 onions a plant dried
used co2 this time around
plants are in 5 gal smart pots
Canopy was really even this time around

gdp came out perfect just flushing them now, gave them some final flush, and some fresh water, I use ro water, most tap water has extreme levels of calcium and pesticides, I would highly recommend a filter, even just a simple 1 or two stage makes all the difference, you wanna take those vlc's out of the water, along with heavy metals and pesticides

GDP sure is a pretty plant but I like the way that skywalker looks too...

SisterMaryElephant wrote:GDP sure is a pretty plant but I like the way that skywalker looks too...

HELL YEA!