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Re: Hemivett's SolarStorm Grow
by hemivette » Sat Feb 25, 2012 10:49 am
Heres the roots on a healthier plant....Not much different. The plant on the end thats the nicest, I cant get out anymore, so the roots are growing out the sides like there supposed to. I know part of the problem was the rushed rooting job, but I did think they would eventually have some sort of root ball. h
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Re: Hemivett's SolarStorm Grow
by hemivette » Sat Feb 25, 2012 10:53 am
And finally some leaf pics of the sicker plant. h
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Re: Hemivett's SolarStorm Grow
by SisterMaryElephant » Sat Feb 25, 2012 2:10 pm
They all look a bit brown but some nutes will do that if they're not clear and the roots aren't rinsed. Again, a small dose of h202 right away will help with the the root rot. Get those temps down, if it was 78 in the res it was even higher near the plants. A chiller in the future would be a good idea, for now a couple of frozen milk jugs or something to get those temps down until you find a perm solution. Also, are those stadium tubes "light proof?" You want to keep light out of there, maybe some reflective material on the square tubes to reflect some heat/light.
They all have roots, they're just hurting right now...
They all have roots, they're just hurting right now...
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Re: Hemivett's SolarStorm Grow
by hemivette » Sat Feb 25, 2012 9:03 pm
SisterMaryElephant wrote:They all look a bit brown but some nutes will do that if they're not clear and the roots aren't rinsed. Again, a small dose of h202 right away will help with the the root rot. Get those temps down, if it was 78 in the res it was even higher near the plants. A chiller in the future would be a good idea, for now a couple of frozen milk jugs or something to get those temps down until you find a perm solution. Also, are those stadium tubes "light proof?" You want to keep light out of there, maybe some reflective material on the square tubes to reflect some heat/light.
They all have roots, they're just hurting right now...
Ive been adding H2O2 over the last week. 5 tsp every other day, but I will do a couple daily doses, before changing the res.
As far as adding water jugs. My res is a sealed tank, so thats not possible. About my only option is a cooler, but it wont be an easy install, or fast for that matter. Ive been thinking about adding a bung on the ends of the posts, and running air to them, thinking the slight breeze may help cool. Whats your opinion?
I would say the tubes are more light proof than anything Ive ever used. The posts are meant to be corner supports, so they are bigger (5.5in) and thicker (.25in) than the standard 4x4 post, and the net pots have clay, and a neoprene top.
I took my measurement at the spay jet (like you said) so thats the temp while hitting the roots. Thanks for you ideas. h
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Re: Hemivett's SolarStorm Grow
by SisterMaryElephant » Sat Feb 25, 2012 9:22 pm
Right, you probably have enough h2o2 then. Perhaps a water flush and a break from the h202, once you get the temp problem under control. Maybe it's your nutrients making them look brown or older rot that the h2o2 didn't dissolve, it could all be temp related. I doubt the air idea will cool the nutrients much but anything is worth a try. I'd try to find a way to add frozen bottles if you can't add a chiller. Some reflective material on the tubes, between the plants, might help reflect a little more heat from the light too. Of course lowering the temp of the grow/reservoir room(s) would help some too...
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I still use HID and I'm NOT an LED expert. All of my LED knowledge is from other parties or research so I can't say from first hand experience one way or another. I also run a medical grow consulting business in SoCal.
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Re: Hemivett's SolarStorm Grow
by hemivette » Fri Mar 02, 2012 9:39 am
Originally Posted by Forest
the root are still short arent they and missing the fine feeder roots i wonder why temps maybe? or could it be a aero thing?
does the heat not get in to it from the tubes or is that led still cool? is you pump in the res? i guess it must be for the temps to be high
how about a inline pump? cheaper solution maybe, what is you ambient room temp in the house?
Ya, Im pretty sure its the heat, and the how they got shoved in the net pots. Most aero plants Ive seen have big root systems.
The Led isnt that cool, but the posts are thick so I really dont think it gets too warm. Before I do my next grow, I am gonna wrap them with bubble Insulation.
The feed pump is in line, and only runs 1min on, 4min off, so really wouldnt help with a chiller.
House temps are usually around 68-72.
I won a chiller last night, so Im gonna just order another Danner in-line mag 5 pump, which is 500 gph. (my res pump is a Danner 9.5) Im planning on putting the chiller on top of my cab, (dont need anymore heat inside) and that is 6'8". The pump is rated 125gph at 7 feet, and the chiller says to run it anywhere between 75-150gph, so I should be golden.
Ro system is up and running, and they are already looking better. Will post pics later, when they get up. Peace. h
the root are still short arent they and missing the fine feeder roots i wonder why temps maybe? or could it be a aero thing?
does the heat not get in to it from the tubes or is that led still cool? is you pump in the res? i guess it must be for the temps to be high
how about a inline pump? cheaper solution maybe, what is you ambient room temp in the house?
Ya, Im pretty sure its the heat, and the how they got shoved in the net pots. Most aero plants Ive seen have big root systems.
The Led isnt that cool, but the posts are thick so I really dont think it gets too warm. Before I do my next grow, I am gonna wrap them with bubble Insulation.
The feed pump is in line, and only runs 1min on, 4min off, so really wouldnt help with a chiller.
House temps are usually around 68-72.
I won a chiller last night, so Im gonna just order another Danner in-line mag 5 pump, which is 500 gph. (my res pump is a Danner 9.5) Im planning on putting the chiller on top of my cab, (dont need anymore heat inside) and that is 6'8". The pump is rated 125gph at 7 feet, and the chiller says to run it anywhere between 75-150gph, so I should be golden.
Ro system is up and running, and they are already looking better. Will post pics later, when they get up. Peace. h
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Re: Hemivett's SolarStorm Grow
by SisterMaryElephant » Fri Mar 02, 2012 11:21 pm
The root issues could be too much h202 too, try cutting back the strength by 50% and see if it helps...unfortunately, you don't get much room for roots in tube based systems either. 
You "won" a chiller? Nice...
You "won" a chiller? Nice...
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Re: Hemivett's SolarStorm Grow
by hemivette » Fri Mar 02, 2012 11:43 pm
llSisterMaryElephant wrote:The root issues could be too much h202 too, try cutting back the strength by 50% and see if it helps...unfortunately, you don't get much room for roots in tube based systems either.
You "won" a chiller? Nice...
I quit the h2o2 about 5days ago. I really don't like using it, there is usually a real reason for the problem , and I prefer to fix that.
They already seem better from the good water, so with the addition of a chiller, I at least know that's no longer an issue.
I think they will have done better if they were rooted properly. Then they could have come out the sides, instead of straight down.
Lol. I meant I won it on ebay. Sorry,:'( It was actually140, then the pump was another 60. h
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Re: Hemivett's SolarStorm Grow
by SisterMaryElephant » Sat Mar 03, 2012 3:19 am
Sounds like you're getting things under control then... 
140 for a Chiller? Nice... Link? Specs? Pix?
140 for a Chiller? Nice... Link? Specs? Pix?
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Re: Hemivett's SolarStorm Grow
by hemivette » Sat Mar 03, 2012 8:46 am
SisterMaryElephant wrote:Sounds like you're getting things under control then...
140 for a Chiller? Nice... Link? Specs? Pix?
Ya, I just keep eliminating possibilities. Eventually I'll have some real happy plants. Just keep throwing money at it. Lol.
I got it for about 100 bucks off. Its just a little one, capable of cooling 12gal by 10 degrees, which is perfect for me, as my res is about 8gal. Heres a link. h
http://www.ebay.com/itm/CL-85-Aquarium- ... _500wt_945
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