rkymtnman wrote:I've been looking into harvesting and what the trichs look like. i have kinda experimented. 50% to 20% amber was the range.

i found some info that has changed how i'm looking at harvesting the next one. i can't find the website (i cleared my history) but the post was basically this : amber= oxidation of the THC = loss in potency.

harvest when first signs of amber appear.

his theory was that if you want that real couch lock effect, that you should be looking at high CBD strains instead of indica/sativas in general. how do you like the CBC magma? have you grown it before???

there is a grower in the town next to me that does a strain called charlotte's web. very high CBD. i have never really searched out a high CBD strain. maybe i should...

Actually, I think you may have misread that site.

Amber is a sign of degraded THC but it doesn't degrade to CBD it degrades to CBN which is what causes the couch lock.

Amber is for those that want couch lock; clear/cloudy is for those that want a more "up" cerebral high.

People go for CBD strains not for couch lock but for medicinal relief without the "high" and that's why parents that give mmj to kids look for high CBD/low THC.

The reason you will want percentage of Amber at 20% is that if you wait till 20% then 70% will be Cloudy leaving 10% clear. Max effectiveness. Max weight. If you pick at first sign of Amber you will experience 10%Amber 40%Cloudy 40% clear. Not as effective or heavy.
YMMV and PTYW
(Your Mileage May Vary and Please Tip Your Waitress)

ICB, SME, GR and TJ,

I found the post. I tried to copy/paste it but the pix would not transfer.
So here's the link

The post in question is by Brick Top which is the #6 post in the topic.

Interested in what you guys think??

http://www.rollitup.org/t/trichomes-clo ... it.401369/

rkymtnman wrote:ICB, SME, GR and TJ,

I found the post. I tried to copy/paste it but the pix would not transfer.
So here's the link

The post in question is by Brick Top which is the #6 post in the topic.

Interested in what you guys think??

http://www.rollitup.org/t/trichomes-clo ... it.401369/

*I* think that Brick Top is wrong, at least in what causes what kind of high.

The strain that you mentioned earlier (Charlotte's Web) was bred and named for a child patient and it has almost no THC and very high CBD so she doesn't get "stoned" when medicating. Try it and you'll see, there's virtually no "high" to it and certainly no couch lock as BT suggests. That said, there are medical conditions that respond well to CBD so you might also want to try strains that have both high THC *AND* CBD.

I tried low THC/high CBD strains for my back (pre-op) and I didn't like them. As I said before, I know people that like more than 20% amber too so it's a personal choice on what people like best.


YMMV...

I don't know enough about the affects of THC, CBD, CBN and the human body to say whether he is right or wrong.

But he does put up a good argument for his case.

I myself have never tried a high CBD strain. And then how do you really know that it has high CBD levels unless it is tested?

I'm curious if ICB has tried his high CBD strain and what his opinion on how the couch lock is vs a strain that is harvested 50% amber (high CBN) on how the couch lock is.

in the end, you are correct. it's whatever the grower wants/does that is "correct" in their eyes.

Some dispensaries, here, test their strains and report percentages of THC/CBD. I'd suggest trying it before growing it when it comes to CBD strains.

Hi all,

Wow, looks like I missed the party here! hahah....digging the intellectual thread here about amber/CBD/CBN/indica impacts.

So, my two cents worth....all of you guys have valid points...personally, I kind of look to a combination of factors that get me to where I want to be.

Indica vs. Sativa...IMHO, Sativa's generally seem to have a more up, spacey head high and Indica's generally seem to have a more mellow, body buzz. ergo the stories of old of medical use and meditation aided by land race indica in Asia and all night jazz parties fueled by Mexican sativa in the early 1900's...I do know that the last two times I smoked a Sativa, I had major anxiety attacks (this after smoking anything and everything for decades, it was so bad I decided to quit smoking for 3 years).

Amber...according to the majority of my research, Amber does signal degradation of THC, and THC does degrade into CBN...which is thought to be responsible for "couch lock", and usually exists in higher levels in indicas than sativas. After experimenting with harvest times, I think this is a major contributor to the effect of your smoke...I have grown the same plants from seeds in the same packaging, the only difference being harvest time (amount of amber), and the effect did indeed go from energetic to relaxing...

CBD, on the other hand, is entirely independent of the THC content, thus the availability of combinations with High CBD/High THC and High CBD/Low THC. I have researched CBD extensively over the last 2 years since I broke my back in an effort to reduce opiate use over the rest of my life. As I mentioned in my previous post, recent blood work I had registered a significant drop in inflammation (C-reactive protein) in my body over the past year...and vaporizing high CBD cannabis is really the only thing I have done differently !

I have indeed grown 2 high CBD strains; CBD Critical and CBD Magma...and am currently growing CBD Magma again. The CBD Critical was a High CBD/Low THC strain...was good for morning and daytime use for muscle spasms and light pain, not much of a high at all, as SME mentioned...I usually mixed it with something else at night to get to sleep.

The CBD Magma is High/CBD High/THC...the best of both worlds...and again, I find myself mixing it with other strains as well. For example, I love the taste of the Critical Kush the most, and the smell of the Black Afghani Kush, so when these three are mixed together, the resulting bag of vapor is exactly what I am looking for.

A major disclaimer point here is that I have no way of having my bud tested for CBD/CBN/THC levels yet, which means I must rely on the information from the breeders...in packaging and feedback from others...that, my limited experience and of course, the feedback and guidance from SME, GR8, RKY, and so many others!

Which brings me to another factor, which is method of ingestion. I'm not into edibles, but I have noticed that vaporizing effects the high I feel. I've read in a few places that the theory is that if you smoke a joint, because some of the active chemicals like CBD and CBN burn at a higher temperature, they therefore may not be consumed as completely as they would be via vaporization.

Proper drying and curing of your bud also effects the chemicals that end up in the finished product...flavonoids, turpenoids, CBD, THC, CBN, they are all affected by the final biological processes the plant completes as it moves from harvest to dry to cure...

So, for me, Indica, with high CBD/high THC levels, grown to 40-50% amber, slowly dried and cured for at least 60 days, and then vaporized, brings me to my promised land. I have been able to reduce my opiate use by half...and couldn't be happier. Some medical studies point to cannabinoids bonding with pain receptors, so when a pain signal is sent, the brain doesn't receive the message...or, it may be as simple as this-my mind is not as focused on my pain as it used to be, and the end result is I am taking less pills, and actually getting out and about more than I used to....all thanks to a plant that I can grow, with love, from seed...

What a beautiful world it is !

Peace
ICB

rkymtnman wrote:
I'm curious if ICB has tried his high CBD strain and what his opinion on how the couch lock is vs a strain that is harvested 50% amber (high CBN) on how the couch lock is.

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RKY, just a specific thought as to your question...based on the facts that all of my bud has been created by me over the past 2 years, it has all been indica or extremely dominant indica, and I harvested all of them late except for once, and I have grown 2 high CBD plants, I can state for the record, in my humble opinion...that growing to 40-50% amber is the absolute most important key factor to couch lock, vs. high CBD. CBD alone, in my personal experience, is amazing for muscle spasms and light pain...with little noticeable buzz. (the CBD Critical, describe in my last post).

Peace !
ICB

And the cure is what makes it "dank". I pop jars:
Everyday for 2 weeks
every other for 2 weeks
Every 4 days for 2 weeks


This aging of bud give it its heady aroma and brings out the flavor of strain.

ICB,

thanks for the info. like i said, i've never tried high CBD.

would it be fair to say that the 50% amber gives strong muscle relaxation/couchlock and the high CBD is lighter muscle relaxation but with some pain relief too??

i guess the definition of couchlock is a bit murky to me. i describe it as turning into a human bean bag chair. limp, relaxed, sedate, etc.