SisterMaryElephant wrote:Welcome to the forums!
THANK YOU VERY MUCH. GLAD TO BE HERE.
Yes, 74 oz for 2kw = 1g/w which is pretty good. No LED grow, here, has broken that yet and no LED grow that I've ever seen has broken that with the kind of results you likely saw with the 2kw HID.
DIDNT EXPECT TO. NOT MY FIRST RODEO
WHEN I AM ON MY GAME I DO THINK I CAN APPROACH 3 POUNDS A 1K WITH 3 MONTHS VEG INCLUDING CLONING TIME. I AM FAR FROM BEING ON MY GAME AT THE MOMENT.
I hope you're planning on doing a complete grow for your GFP journal, 1/2 a flower cycle isn't really what they had in mind when they offered such a big discount.
DO YOU HONESTLY THINK I WOULD SPEND THIS MUCH TIME WRITING DOWN DATA AND LEAVE IT HALF FINISHED? I HOPE TO GIVE DRY WEIGHTS (2 WEEK CURE / STEM SNAP WEIGHTS). THEY DONT CALL ME PI FOR NOTHING. I HAVE MORE INFO TO ADD. LOTSA TYPOS AND MISTAKES I AM CATCHING. STILL. AS I TRANSFER IT FROM ON BOARD TO ANOTHER.
MORE IMPORTANTLY I GAVE MY WORD THAT I WOULD GO TO COMPLETION. BARRING MY DEATH ETC. I WILL FINISH WHAT I STARTED. I AM A MAN OF MY WORD.
CLW does NOT suggest 4x4 for flowering *cannabis* with the SS400w, in fact, they say flowering with the SS800w can go "up to" a 4x4 but if you notice they don't say that's for cannabis. You really need more than 20-40w/sqft for cannabis. I'd be looking at 50+w/sqft and *I* wouldn't go over a 3x2 for the SS400w.
SEE RODEO ABOVE. SOME OF THAT IS JUST YOUR OPINION. SOME I AGREE WITH SOME I DONT. MOST OF THIS WAS FROM MEMORY. SO I OBVIOUSLY MISREMEMBERED SOME THINGS.
IF I HAD OPTIONS THAT INCLUDED UNLIMITED E USAGE I PROMISE YOU I WOULD BE USING GRAVITA OR MICROMOLE BALLASTS. (did i spell them right?) UNFORTUNATELY I DONT.
Lucas Formula is *not* 5ml micro + 5ml bloom. For LED we think that 6-12 or 7-14 might be best. For high powered HID he suggested 8-16 and for fluorescents he said 5-10.
YOU ARE RIGHT ON THE LUCAS FORMULA. BEEN AWHILE SINCE I WROTE IT DOWN. 8/16. AS FAR AS WHAT EVERYBODY RECOMMENDS... IT HAS BEEN MY EXPERIENCE THAT EVERY GROW IS A BIT DIFFERENT. I BASED MY 5/5 RATIO WHICH WHICH SHOULD HAVE BEEN 5/10 ON THE FACT THAT I WAS GETTING POOR QUALITY BURN IE CHARCOAL ASH AND LUMPS. PRODUCT WOULD NOT STAY LITE AND WAS HARSH. I DIALED BACK ALL MY NUTS TO FIX THAT PROBLEM.
I HAD BEEN USING THE GH SERIES THROUGH THE STRETCH/VEGETATIVE PORTION OF FLOWERING ONLY AND SWITCHED TO PURE BLEND PRO FOR THE REMAINDER OF THE CYCLE. SAVE A BIT ON NUTE COSTS AND STILL GET A GOOD RESULT. THERE ARE MANY WAYS TO 'PET' A CAT.
USING THE RECOMMENDED DOSAGE GAVE ME JOINTS OF CHARCOAL WHICH IS NOT A GOOD THING. MYSELF AND A FEW OTHERS HAD MUCH BETTER TASTE AND BURN WHEN WE WENT TO 5 ML DOSAGE. GETTING BACK TO THE 'YOUR GROW AINT MY GROW' ISSUE' .... NOT ALL PLANTS USE NUTRIENTS IN THE SAME AMOUNTS. WHEN YOU HAVE 35 DIFFERENT STRAINS AS I DID. YOU LOOK FOR A ONE SIZE FITS ALL. 5/10 ML FOR VEG AND STRETCH PLUS 5 ML PB FOR FLOWERING WORKED WELL FOR ME.
IMO MOST FERT MFG RECOMMEND USING THE HIGH END OF THE SPECTRUM ON THEIR NUTES. MAKES SENSE WHEN YOU REALIZE THAT THEY ARE IN THE BIZ TO SELL YOU NUTES. THE MORE YOU USE THE MORE THEY MAKE. BUDDY OF MINE WHO WORKED FOR ADVANCED NUTRIENTS AND WAS PART OWNER OF QUANTUM BALLAST ADMITTED AS MUCH.
The kwh math seems right but you know that with 1/3 of the light you'll get 1/3 of the yield too. So while you *do* save electricity, you also lose yield and you'd also save electricity with a smaller HID.
I GUESS I DIDNT EXPLAIN MYSELF WELL. I THOUGHT I BROUGHT THAT OUT IN MY COMPARISON? AS I MENTIONED FROM MY 2ND POST... ELECTRICITY USAGE "IS'' AN ISSUE FOR ME ON ANY NUMBER OF LEVELS. SO YOUR PREACHING TO THE CHOIR. NOT SURE WHAT YOU MEAN BY SAVING. UNLESS I AM MISSING SOMETHING.... DRAW ON THAT UNIT IS PURPORTED TO BE 325W OR THERE ABOUTS. LAST TIME I LOOKED 1000 W > 600> 400>325. NOW IF YOU WANT TO TALK ACTUAL DRAW MEASURED BY AN AMP METER I AM NOT EQUIPPED NOR DO I CARE ABOUT THAT AT THIS POINT. THE PROOF IN MY PUDDING IS MY ELEC BILL. THE PLANTS LOOK GREAT. THEY ARE SMALLER THAN WHAT I WOULD USE UNDER A 1K / 600/ 400 BECAUSE OF ISSUES I HAVE HEARD ABOUT PENETRATION WRT LEDS.
If you were to hit the 1g/w target you'd end up with about 11.3 oz...by my math.
330w = 330g / 29g (rounded) = 11.3 (also rounded)
MEH NOT ENOUGH DIFFERENCE TO PICK AT IMO.
Right, transplanting during flower adds more stress, it's best to do it a week before flipping to 12/12.
I AGREE WITH THE WEEK BEFORE. THAT HAS BEEN MY MO FOR 15 YEARS. HOWEVER IN LIEU OF THE FACT THAT I HAVE TO USE 3 DIFFERENT 'POT UPS' DUE TO LIMITED SPACE AND I LACK A SURPLUS OF LIGHTS AVAILABLE FOR VEGGING (I HAVE ELECTRICITY ISSUES REMEMBER?)
THEIR IS THE ALSO THE ISSUE OF THE ROOTS CIRCLING THE POT. IF YOU TRANSPLANT A PLANT AFTER IT HAS FILLED THE POT WITH ROOTS OR THE ROOTS HAVE STARTED GOING ROUND N ROUND N ROUND YOU LOOSE YIELD. THIS GOES BEYOND 'STRESS' IMO. IF I HAD MY DRUTHERS I'D PUT THE PLANTS IN THEIR FINAL POT ASAP BUT I CANT.
The closer to the canopy that you keep the light the less area it will cover well. Part of the reason they claim the lights cover such a large area is based on the 18-24" number.
I AM A RODEO CLOWN AND A MECHANICAL/QUALITY ENGINEER SO ILL DISREGARD COMMENTING ON SOME OF YOUR COMMENTS ON THE OBVIOUS.
ONE OBSERVATION ID LIKE TO MAKE IS THAT WHEN I FIRST GOT THAT LIGHT I HAD IT 15" ABOVE THE PLANTS. THEY DID NOT SEEM TO LIKE IT AT ALL AS ALL MY LEAVES CUPPED DOWNWARD. PLANTS LOOKED GREAT AND I SAW NO LEAVE POINTING UPWARDS. HUH I THOUGHT. A BUDDY OF MINE SAID HIS WERE ALWAYS CUPPED DOWN TOO. WHEN I MOVED THAT LIGHT TO 21" BIG DIFFERENCE. IMO THEY CUPPED DOWNWARD TO ESCAPE EXCESSIVE LUMENS. LESS SURFACE AREA OF THE LEAVES TO CATCH THAT LIGHT.
HAVING SAID THAT. YOU CAN READ ALL THE LITERATURE YOU WANT AND IT MEANS NOTHING IN THE FACE OF ACTUAL RESULTS. BOTTOM LINE FOR ME IS.... I LET MY PLANTS TELL ME WHAT THEY LIKE. I WILL HAVE MORE OF AN OPINION AFTER I HARVEST. MY GREATEST CONCERN AT THIS POINT IS NOT YEILD BUT POTENCY.
Hope that helps!
THANKS FOR THE TIPS ETC. I WILL TAKE THEM TO HEART. NICE MEETING YOU. GOOD TO SEE THAT THEY HAVE AN ELEPHANT WITH A LONG LONG LOOOOOONG MEMORY TO SORT OUT MY MIS- REMEMBERED FACTS. KEEP ME ON MY AHEM TOES WOULD YA!
SME
SisterMaryElephant wrote:16 plants, flowered at ~12", in such a small area will be overcrowded by time they finish. You might consider culling some but it's up to you...
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