Re: Great Expectations
by theProgressoR » Fri Jun 08, 2012 1:13 am
So despite putting in effort to shrink his pictures via an application, I can click on the pic and get anbenlarged version that's enlarged into a full detailed square pic. If the people I want to educate can't retrieve this info then I'm kind of bummed and may have to just ve statistical
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Re: Great Expectations
by theProgressoR » Fri Jun 08, 2012 1:18 am
This phone sucks. It messes up like any predictive phone but the way it won't allow me to correct my mistakes makes me a bit angryz
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Re: Great Expectations
by SisterMaryElephant » Fri Jun 08, 2012 11:02 am
I always edit pictures on a computer but there has to be a way on the phone...I'd imagine. *shrug*
Oh well, big pictures will have to do until you figure something out.
Oh well, big pictures will have to do until you figure something out.
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I still use HID and I'm NOT an LED expert. All of my LED knowledge is from other parties or research so I can't say from first hand experience one way or another. I also run a medical grow consulting business in SoCal.
I still use HID and I'm NOT an LED expert. All of my LED knowledge is from other parties or research so I can't say from first hand experience one way or another. I also run a medical grow consulting business in SoCal.
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Re: Great Expectations
by theProgressoR » Sat Jun 09, 2012 10:35 am
So the way it works for me which is only semi annoying is that u can see like a tenth of the pic but if u click on it, it blows it up automatically. Does this work for everyone else? I tried to download the app which does exist but it didn't work enough to matter. Thanks to my damn cell phone having an 8 mp camera... So ill keep looking for a solution. Update, kinda cool phenomena happened. I pulled the reflective board up and I guess because the light is blocked from the tray I have like 8+" roots raping holes in my cloth pots which are made to air prune tips and normally they are unable to penetrate the pot more than a quarter inch. So now I'm thinking of putting a tiny bit of hydroton loose in the tray cuz I'm worried the existing ones won't stay healthy like this for long but maybe they will? Any thoughts? Too bad noone really knows. Noone will ever completely figure out plants, they're too complex and every garden is slightly different. I kinda like the hydroton idea but it would be a ton of work sneaking each plant back thru the holes they're set in...the whole idea was that its kinda permanent. I only pulled the board up to move the bigger girls to the perimeter and move the petites to the center. *this info was copy and pasted from the gardener
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Re: Great Expectations
by SisterMaryElephant » Sat Jun 09, 2012 4:19 pm
The problem is the size of the pictures, they're 3k x 2k pixels and for web they should be smaller. Try 800x600 I think.
I think it's a combination of air and light that does the pruning in those pots but they call it air-pruning. Since you cut off the light the roots are searching for food/water in the ebb/flow tray, adding hydroton may help but if the 2gal pots are stable enough it might not even be needed. Personally, I also think 25 plants in a 3x3 tray is too much but it seems that the design doesn't leave much room for adjustments so I guess we'll see what happens.
SME
I think it's a combination of air and light that does the pruning in those pots but they call it air-pruning. Since you cut off the light the roots are searching for food/water in the ebb/flow tray, adding hydroton may help but if the 2gal pots are stable enough it might not even be needed. Personally, I also think 25 plants in a 3x3 tray is too much but it seems that the design doesn't leave much room for adjustments so I guess we'll see what happens.
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I still use HID and I'm NOT an LED expert. All of my LED knowledge is from other parties or research so I can't say from first hand experience one way or another. I also run a medical grow consulting business in SoCal.
I still use HID and I'm NOT an LED expert. All of my LED knowledge is from other parties or research so I can't say from first hand experience one way or another. I also run a medical grow consulting business in SoCal.
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Re: Great Expectations
by theProgressoR » Sat Jun 09, 2012 11:40 pm
I can understand your logic but its also SOG and its two gallon pots. The 25 barely fit so I've maximized root zone and even tho the tray is 3*3 the space is 4*4 and I can train the outside ladies to fill the extra space. I appreciate the criticism and respect your opinions sme, but if noone innovated then the world wouldn't be where it is today. This whole thing is a big experiment, including the led. I have never seen growth at this rate but who knows if it will keep up. 25 is a lot but there's a clusterfuck of light bouncing around and someone has to change the game...I thought hemivettes setup was a weird strategy as well but I've grown to respect him for it cuz he's still moving forward. I wanna see u do something sme, get George to give u a light for moderating and do your own thing. I still wanna see what an SS and 600hps can do together in the same space but my grower wanted to hold his agreement with George so he tried to max out its potential and is hoping for >1g per watt. I also think its possible but I'm biased... Guess we will know in a couple months.
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Re: Great Expectations
by theProgressoR » Sat Jun 09, 2012 11:59 pm
Hopefully this works... He thinks it should be smaller now...
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Re: Great Expectations
by SisterMaryElephant » Sun Jun 10, 2012 1:58 am
Picture size is much better...
I understand that it's a SOG but most SOG grows that I've seen were about 1 plant/sq foot in 3 gal pots (in flower) so in a 4x4 grow area that would only be 16 plants or 4 rows of 4 instead of 5x5. These aren't George's forums, CLW just has a section here for their feedback program and there is no compensation for helping moderate the forums so, after my back gets fixed, I'm sure that I'll be back to HID.
1+g/w should be doable but nobody has hit that mark here...yet. I hope you do!
SME
I understand that it's a SOG but most SOG grows that I've seen were about 1 plant/sq foot in 3 gal pots (in flower) so in a 4x4 grow area that would only be 16 plants or 4 rows of 4 instead of 5x5. These aren't George's forums, CLW just has a section here for their feedback program and there is no compensation for helping moderate the forums so, after my back gets fixed, I'm sure that I'll be back to HID.
1+g/w should be doable but nobody has hit that mark here...yet. I hope you do!
SME
Disclaimer:
I still use HID and I'm NOT an LED expert. All of my LED knowledge is from other parties or research so I can't say from first hand experience one way or another. I also run a medical grow consulting business in SoCal.
I still use HID and I'm NOT an LED expert. All of my LED knowledge is from other parties or research so I can't say from first hand experience one way or another. I also run a medical grow consulting business in SoCal.
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Re: Great Expectations
by theProgressoR » Sun Jun 10, 2012 4:27 pm
He was advised to do 16 as well but the decision was made to go with two gallon pots because hydroton doesn't wick and three gallon cloth pots are very tall so with a 7"deep botanicare tray I feel like what he is doing makes some sense. He also switched to flower mode today and that pic was taken yesterday so they're small but bushy from what I could tell in the pics and from what he has said... I still agree that for weight, hid is a requirement. It just makes a bunch on unused photons aka energy that more energy has to be consumed to cool or ventilate. Which again is why I think led supplementation is my theory for an optimal grow with the current technology that exists. Buuuits also just my hypothesis and I'm not an expert. Sorry for the typing errors this page is not very compatible with my phone.
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Re: Great Expectations
by SisterMaryElephant » Mon Jun 11, 2012 1:20 am
25 might work but I sure wouldn't let them get very tall because they're going to be tight, some people use ultra high density and flower almost immediately after cloning but there are many reasons not to go that route. Ask him to measure them, based on the pics I'd guess they're about 6-8" tall with the 5x5 grid being 6-8 inches on center? It's hard to tell...
Actually, there is no one "right way" there are pros and cons to each style and equipment choice we make. When growing for meds, I start with 2x my estimated monthly desired yield and then start planning from there.
YMMV...
Actually, there is no one "right way" there are pros and cons to each style and equipment choice we make. When growing for meds, I start with 2x my estimated monthly desired yield and then start planning from there.
YMMV...
Disclaimer:
I still use HID and I'm NOT an LED expert. All of my LED knowledge is from other parties or research so I can't say from first hand experience one way or another. I also run a medical grow consulting business in SoCal.
I still use HID and I'm NOT an LED expert. All of my LED knowledge is from other parties or research so I can't say from first hand experience one way or another. I also run a medical grow consulting business in SoCal.
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