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Re: TXStorm Grow Blog

Postby TXStorm » Thu Jul 12, 2012 5:46 pm

Is this plant a hermi ?... how long does it take to identify one or show itself ?.... this is day 7 in flower...
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Re: TXStorm Grow Blog

Postby SisterMaryElephant » Thu Jul 12, 2012 6:39 pm

Your shots are too wide to tell and it wouldn't matter anyway...I'll explain.

Hermaphroditism is the trait of being both male and female so you'd have to have close-up shots of every node (please don't) for any of us to rule it out. You know what males look like and you know what females look like so if that plant has "both" then it's a herm.

Hermaphroditism can show itself as soon as the plant starts to show sex or at the end of the flowering cycle so if you suspect hermaphroditic genetics or if you are worried because of stress, you'll have to inspect daily. It's easier to spot when they're small because you literally have to inspect every node to be 100% sure before harvest. What many growers do is inspect thoroughly while they're small and then spot check during the rest of the cycle for signs of male flowers. Some people try to prune the male parts off, I always kill hermies. If any genetics that I try turn herm, I find new genetics.

The funny thing is hermaphroditism is natural, many plants in the wild do it. It's breeders that have attempted to eradicate that trait. Great for species survival in the wild, horrible for growers looking for unpollinated female flowers. ;)

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Re: TXStorm Grow Blog

Postby TXStorm » Fri Jul 13, 2012 1:41 am

thanks for the explanation SME.... I have added some red lines to the pictures pointing to the bulb shape that is appearing at all nodes....
the main stem also shot up several inches in flower mode....I've moved it outside for the day to get another look at it.... thanks again
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Re: TXStorm Grow Blog

Postby SisterMaryElephant » Fri Jul 13, 2012 2:00 am

Sorry, still not close enough to tell if those are male or female flowers...with my eyes at least. It kind of just looks like normal branching nodes but it's not clear enough for me to be sure.

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Re: TXStorm Grow Blog

Postby TXStorm » Sat Jul 14, 2012 4:22 am

Day 8 bloom update.... there are now 3 plants in the tent, "old 1", Nepalese and White Queen.... "old 2" was moved outside as its is flowering a lot differently then the others, especially "old 1".... these two appeared to be the same but I suspect "old 2" to be a hermi.... some pictures will follow today.... the "old" seeds origin is unknown and so with bag seed you never know.... either way it's not worth the risk of pollinating the Nepalese and White Queen, which were fem seeds.... white hairs are developing nicely on the three.... Nepalese has grown from 9" to 23" from Jul 1 -14.... White Queen from 5" to 11".... "old 1" from 16" to 22", but because I bent the main stem down when it was the tallest, the canopy of this plant has 12-14 buds..... the SolarStorm is ~15" from the canopy now with no issue.... it is hotter, but the bloom mode is 600+ watts vs 450 watts in veg mode.... its manageable.... also its important the rotate plants because of the light intensity in different quadrants (see Frank's presentation with output comparisons).... feeding with GO Bio Thrive Bloom / Bio Bud and Earth Juice, switching every other feed.... and lots of water.... I like AirPots.... but they can be messy with all the holes and just like their name, air will allow the soil to dry out quickly.... lastly, the "free" seed has been outside for 8 day and has adjusted well even though it has been in the upper 90's.... figured out how to add all pictures in one post ... :o
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Re: TXStorm Grow Blog

Postby TXStorm » Sun Jul 22, 2012 4:14 am

week 9 update using the SolarStorm.... day 15 of bloom.... and then there were two.... "old 1" followed "old 2" and went hermi, so its out.... too bad but again with "bag seed" you roll the dice.... with a consumption rate of around an 1\8 a month there is no concern about the loss of anticipated volume :D .... the "nepalese dragon" and "white queen" are doing well.... the "nepalese" has grown from 12" to 32" and the "queen" 7" to 13" in the last 15 days.... the "queen" is flowering at what appears to be a faster rate then the "nepalese" but I imagine this could happen even amongst the same species.... it would have been nice to have kept these two in the veg mode a few more weeks as they were only 7 weeks old before going to bloom mode.... the SolarStorm has been 12" to 14" from the tops with no issue.... oh and the almost forgotten "free" is loving the sunshine, going from 19" to 36" since July 7th.... this plant is unknown type, looking sativa and was included in an order from a seed bank.... it will be fun to see an outdoor bloom if able to let it finish....
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Re: TXStorm Grow Blog

Postby TXStorm » Sun Jul 29, 2012 4:06 am

week 10 with the SolarStorm and day 21 of bloom..... have a bit of a mixture of excitement and disappointment.... the white queen, while a small plant, is flowering really well.... very dense and thick buds are forming.... the top cola may be 6" long by the time it finishes out.... the plant is only 14" tall.... I did trim off some older yellowing fan leaves to give some of the branching buds more light.... already looking forward to starting another crop of this seed.... the nepalese dragon is forming some nice buds too, but has nutrition burn even though it was given the same feeding as the white queen.... and I am using only organic nutrients (GO bloom and Earth Juice) so its hard to figure WTF is going on.... it is tall at 35" and not very full, shooting up from 12" to 35" in 21 days.... this probably could have been better managed with some topping/ trimming.... anyway, hopefully it'll hang in there another 5 - 6 weeks to finish.... and again looking back, both of these may have done better if in veg longer (only 7 weeks).... the SolarStorm has been 15" from the tops and UVB is now on too.... the realization is the more I know, the less I know.... for sure a "hobby" grower with no other aspirations but I do want to get better.... just amazed by the grows seen on line here and other sites, big and small, both indoors and out....
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Re: TXStorm Grow Blog

Postby m00chy » Sun Jul 29, 2012 8:11 am

Hey, TXStorm.
IMHO We are all hobby growers on here, unless acres are involved. I think I understand your frustration. For me this is about testing the lights, results while meaningful, will only lead to more decisions about what to do to improve my product. I'll probably take it as far as I can, and then enjoy the fruits. Fight the good fight, whatever that means for you. Grin a little, and ROCK ON!
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Re: TXStorm Grow Blog

Postby SisterMaryElephant » Sun Jul 29, 2012 1:42 pm

Not everyone here is a hobby grower but most probably are and you don't need acres. ;)

The plant on the left appears to be stretching due to not enough light with way too much space between internodes. After 21 days of flower, most of the stretch should be about over but they will still grow taller, just not as fast as the first 3-ish weeks. Genetics has an impact too.

The reason the same nutrients burn one and not the other is because they're not equally developed. The one on the right has a better root mass and leaf structure to support it. Also, trimming yellow leaves is a bad idea, yellow leaves usually just means they need more nitrogen. Trimming leaves robs the plant of the ability to use the light to grow, it should mainly be done to remove diseased plant matter and, even then, sparingly. You can usually tuck/bend a few leaves to allow light to get to lower branches. A light that penetrates better or growing shorter plants is better than trimming leaves, especially in flower.

Hope that helps...

Disclaimer:
I still use HID and I'm NOT an LED expert. All of my LED knowledge is from other parties or research so I can't say from first hand experience one way or another. I also run a medical grow consulting business in SoCal.
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Re: TXStorm Grow Blog

Postby TXStorm » Mon Jul 30, 2012 2:12 am

thanks for the input....this appears to me to be a genetics thing with the stretching....the light has been ~14-16" from the plants.... and in a 32" x 32" area the SolarStorm is over rated for that coverage...."The reason the same nutrients burn one and not the other is because they're not equally developed".... I believe that is 100% correct..... as far as fan leaf pruning, these were the oldest very yellow fan leaves on the "queen".... here is some good info regarding what was done http://mjgrowers.com/book_lets_research.htm .....thanks again for any and all input / advice and encouragement....
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