Well since I'm legal the only people I need to hide this from is everyone other than the authorities since they're the only ones that know.
What I was envisioning for the future were multiple 4x8 enclosures, and I keep adding them as the venture grows. Aside the starting capital costs, I don't see any other inconvenience versus one huge grow room. Each enclosure could run on two 20A breakers, it'd make dividing things easier too.
I'd rather not put all my eggs in one basket for one, and more enclosures means I can time the grows so they finish at equal intervals from one another (with three enclosures I could have one harvest a month, give or take). Plus, if I eff up (or say my cat poisons the RDWC system) I'm not exposing myself to losing a single huge harvest. Also, more enclosures = more strains. Isn't variety something that is expected out of a medical dispensary?
Even if I build a fully equipped 4x8 enclosure, I will break even (even turn a profit) after a single harvest because of the market situation here. I don't know many businesses that gets investors a full return on their capital investment in a single quarter. So really it's about what equipment gives you the most g per watt, in the end. That's still HID AFAIK.
Re: [GFP] Double SS400W Grow Journal
by FCGFrank » Wed Feb 13, 2013 11:05 pm
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Re: [GFP] Double SS400W Grow Journal
by SisterMaryElephant » Wed Feb 13, 2013 11:15 pm
Divide it up however you wish but remember; each service panel has a maximum amperage rating and limited number of breakers/circuits and you still have to leave room for everything else in the building.
It's one of those "no one right way" deals...
It's one of those "no one right way" deals...
Disclaimer:
I still use HID and I'm NOT an LED expert. All of my LED knowledge is from other parties or research so I can't say from first hand experience one way or another. I also run a medical grow consulting business in SoCal.
I still use HID and I'm NOT an LED expert. All of my LED knowledge is from other parties or research so I can't say from first hand experience one way or another. I also run a medical grow consulting business in SoCal.
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Re: [GFP] Double SS400W Grow Journal
by FCGFrank » Thu Feb 14, 2013 9:12 am
Day 33
pH: 6.0
PPM: 830
ResT: 68.81F
AmbT: 84.4F
rH: 64%
Plant 1 is almost touching the screen... and is a nice lil bush. I hope I can fill the screen without ending up with a gigantic forest of mess. Is it possible to train a plant too hard?
Also, I had to take a few dead leaves off the plants. All of them were wilting or dying, and all of them were very old leaves all at the very bottom of the plant. Lack of light, or normal process of the growth? I took maybe 3 leaves from each plant.
Sorry about the purple, it's the best I can do. Didn't feel like taking out the fucking flash for this. Can't balance a sensor without enough white light.
pH: 6.0
PPM: 830
ResT: 68.81F
AmbT: 84.4F
rH: 64%
Plant 1 is almost touching the screen... and is a nice lil bush. I hope I can fill the screen without ending up with a gigantic forest of mess. Is it possible to train a plant too hard?
Also, I had to take a few dead leaves off the plants. All of them were wilting or dying, and all of them were very old leaves all at the very bottom of the plant. Lack of light, or normal process of the growth? I took maybe 3 leaves from each plant.
Sorry about the purple, it's the best I can do. Didn't feel like taking out the fucking flash for this. Can't balance a sensor without enough white light.
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Re: [GFP] Double SS400W Grow Journal
by SisterMaryElephant » Thu Feb 14, 2013 2:48 pm
Sorry, we can't help diagnose problems if you rush to cut the plants and take pictures in that kind of lighting. You might install a small clamp-on lamp to provide normal lighting for pictures, then it would be as easy as flipping a couple of switches.
You really don't need the screen in place until you need it, you can pre-train using LST, etc before they even get that far...
You really don't need the screen in place until you need it, you can pre-train using LST, etc before they even get that far...
Disclaimer:
I still use HID and I'm NOT an LED expert. All of my LED knowledge is from other parties or research so I can't say from first hand experience one way or another. I also run a medical grow consulting business in SoCal.
I still use HID and I'm NOT an LED expert. All of my LED knowledge is from other parties or research so I can't say from first hand experience one way or another. I also run a medical grow consulting business in SoCal.
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Re: [GFP] Double SS400W Grow Journal
by FCGFrank » Thu Feb 14, 2013 3:10 pm
It was more of a "here's how they're looking nowadays" photo-update rather than "help me diagnose the problem forensic-photo-update" since like you say, I need flash and an actual macro of the problem. The leaves were just totally dead. If it happens again I'll take out the strobes. My compact flashes are not here and taking out the studio strobe is a pain.
It's also possible I damaged some roots the other day, a root piece was sucked into the pump. The rest of the plant looks very healthy so my guess is it's an isolated experience.
The screen was done and I had it, so rather than let it stand in the way in a corner of my apartment I just figured I'd install it right away
It's also possible I damaged some roots the other day, a root piece was sucked into the pump. The rest of the plant looks very healthy so my guess is it's an isolated experience.
The screen was done and I had it, so rather than let it stand in the way in a corner of my apartment I just figured I'd install it right away
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Re: [GFP] Double SS400W Grow Journal
by SisterMaryElephant » Thu Feb 14, 2013 3:31 pm
You asked if it was lack of light or normal process of growth but now we can't tell because we can't see them. First you said "wilting or dying" now you say totally dead but, again, we don't know if we don't get pictures in normal lighting. If using your big flash is easier than installing a cheap clip-on lamp, that's fine, I was just giving you options.
They also make cloth bags to put a pump in (often used in ponds) to keep things from getting sucked in...
I just said you didn't have to install it yet, install it when you want, with the amount of light you have a little shade from the screen shouldn't hurt.
They also make cloth bags to put a pump in (often used in ponds) to keep things from getting sucked in...
I just said you didn't have to install it yet, install it when you want, with the amount of light you have a little shade from the screen shouldn't hurt.
Disclaimer:
I still use HID and I'm NOT an LED expert. All of my LED knowledge is from other parties or research so I can't say from first hand experience one way or another. I also run a medical grow consulting business in SoCal.
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Re: [GFP] Double SS400W Grow Journal
by FCGFrank » Thu Feb 14, 2013 3:42 pm
I thought it might have been normal for the plant to lose a few of its old leaves if they only get shade but I'll grab pics next time.
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Re: [GFP] Double SS400W Grow Journal
by SisterMaryElephant » Thu Feb 14, 2013 3:46 pm
It *is* normal for plants to shed dead leaves but wilting and dead are two different things. Typically you don't have to remove the leaves anyway, they'll fall off on their own as you'll see when they get bigger. Your plants are also not that big yet so it's hard to say what happened...just don't be in such a rush.
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I still use HID and I'm NOT an LED expert. All of my LED knowledge is from other parties or research so I can't say from first hand experience one way or another. I also run a medical grow consulting business in SoCal.
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Re: [GFP] Double SS400W Grow Journal
by FCGFrank » Thu Feb 14, 2013 3:59 pm
They were twisted and brown/grey. One had fallen on its own already.
The others had very little green in them.
What's that called?
The others had very little green in them.
What's that called?
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Re: [GFP] Double SS400W Grow Journal
by SisterMaryElephant » Thu Feb 14, 2013 4:11 pm
The one that fell of was obviously dead, the others sound like they were necrotic or dying but the question of "why" still remains. Was it age? Was it environmental? Was it nutrient toxicity or deficiency? Was it physical damage? Perhaps it was an earlier problem that was corrected later but too late for those leaves to recover? We'll never know now.
I think I see leaves with problems (same/different?) in that last-top picture but it's hard to tell with that lighting. It kind of looks like old nute burn but I can't say for sure...
I think I see leaves with problems (same/different?) in that last-top picture but it's hard to tell with that lighting. It kind of looks like old nute burn but I can't say for sure...
Disclaimer:
I still use HID and I'm NOT an LED expert. All of my LED knowledge is from other parties or research so I can't say from first hand experience one way or another. I also run a medical grow consulting business in SoCal.
I still use HID and I'm NOT an LED expert. All of my LED knowledge is from other parties or research so I can't say from first hand experience one way or another. I also run a medical grow consulting business in SoCal.
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