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Re: Solarstorm 400w organic GFP

Postby SisterMaryElephant » Thu Feb 21, 2013 9:13 am

I like neem, try to hit the underside of the leaves more than the flowers at this stage. Pyrithium is pretty safe and so is azamax. Somebody here said that they like spinosad IIRC...

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I still use HID and I'm NOT an LED expert. All of my LED knowledge is from other parties or research so I can't say from first hand experience one way or another. I also run a medical grow consulting business in SoCal.
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Re: Solarstorm 400w organic GFP

Postby Dustydirt » Sun Feb 24, 2013 2:20 pm

Update week 4--

Sprayed neem today on the Spider mites. For various reasons wasn't able to get to it sooner, but curiously, the plant seems to be growing happily right along and the infestation was not much worse than Thursday... Although I saw those webs you were talking about SME ! They would be right in the crook of the fan leaves and stem nodes in isolated patches. Can't imagine what they are hoping to catch in there but the party's over now.

You can't see webs in the pics because The spray took 'em out. :twisted: You can see little dots on some of the leaves though. I'm hoping this will take care of it but I may re-treat later to be sure. Couldn't avoid getting some neem on the buds, hopefully this flavor will get absorbed and not be present in 4-6 weeks when I harvest? :?

Oh, and I just turned on the uv bulbs as well, so it will be on for the first time during tonight's light cycle.
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Re: Solarstorm 400w organic GFP

Postby Dustydirt » Wed Feb 27, 2013 11:05 pm

There were a few spider mites still moving around so I re-sprayed today trying to be more thorough. Ill hope for the best... I am really intrigued by a bubblegum or candy like scent on these buds. Not sure about the background to chemdog genetics but I sure like the smell.


Here is an overview shot so you can see what I got in there. The solar flare is a bloom booster model and it has a more reddish light than the SS. Not sure why you'd want this spectrum as opposed to the regular full spectrum, but I decided to give it a go. So far doing great and less bleaching than the SS.
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Re: Solarstorm 400w organic GFP

Postby SisterMaryElephant » Wed Feb 27, 2013 11:51 pm

There is a ton of debate regarding the "right" spectra but we do know that red is what gets it flowering because the sun shifts to red in the fall (for the northern hemisphere) as the Earth is farther away from the Sun so some plants have evolved to flower when there's more red. It wasn't that long ago that people thought that plants don't use green light but now we know that they do use some of it. There probably isn't a perfect spectra...

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Re: Solarstorm 400w organic GFP

Postby FCGFrank » Thu Feb 28, 2013 1:08 am

SisterMaryElephant wrote:It wasn't that long ago that people thought that plants don't use green light but now we know that they do use some of it. There probably isn't a perfect spectra...


Do you have a reference on this? I'd like to see data on this. The spectroreadings I've seen suggest otherwise so I'd like to see the methodology that went behind this new information.
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Re: Solarstorm 400w organic GFP

Postby SisterMaryElephant » Thu Feb 28, 2013 3:02 am

I had a chart that showed the spectral absorption rates of plants but now I can't find it. It's pretty well known now though. Even George of CLW has talked about it in an interview on NateJ's review site.

As we all know, plants absorb red and blue light very well but they also absorb and use light in the 500-600nm range too. Just not as much, in fact I think it's only close to 50% absorbed for that range.

Here is a quote from that interview:
Nate: We’re seeing a trend in the industry where LED grow lights come out with more and more “bands” of light. Initially most of the LED lights were only two bands (red and blue). Now companies are starting to claim their lights have 11 bands and more. What are your thoughts on this? Is this marketing hype or is there something to this movement?

George: When it comes to the spectrum and the bands, it’s important to understand the basics. Enough research has been done to date to paint a good picture of how most plants use light. For example the chlorophyll a and chlorophyll b peaks at 430/470 and 620/660 nm are very well documented. The other thing you want to keep in mind is there is plenty of process variation in the manufacturing of LEDs. This means that if you buy a lot of say 450nm LEDs you’ll get some that peak at 440nm, others that peak at 460nm. So as much as the marketing hype coming out of some LED grow light companies leaves customers feeling that more bands is better this is not necessarily true.
Our research has shown the following:

1 The high absorbance spectral region of plants is between 420nm and 480nm in blue and 610-680nm in the red.
2 It’s important to deliver some light in the 500-600nm range (green/yellow) targeting the carotenoids for good plant morphology
3 Anything above 700nm can have a negative impact on plant growth
4 Some UVB (280nm-315nm), can be helpful
5 Light intensity and proper red/blue balance has a much higher impact on plant growth than specific bands.

We use 5 different LED spectra in our lights, plus UVB in the SolarStorm. We include warm white (3100K) to fill-in the spectrum between 500 and 600nm. On the SolarStorm we also have a switch to optimize the blue/red ratio for vegetative growth vs. bloom. Given the process variation in LEDs, when you look at the Spectro-radiometric chart of our lights, you’ll notice high coverage in the range between 420 and 480nm and 610-680nm and some coverage between 500 and 600nm."




As you can see, even LED companies like CLW acknowledge that green/yellow is needed and used just not as much as the red/blue. If you remember, the primary colors are blue yellow and red. Green is a secondary color; a combination of blue and yellow. Therefore if the plants use blue, yellow and red they also use green and even orange and purple to some degree.

I wish I had that chart... *shrug*


EDIT:
I also found this on another site:
One of the most common misconceptions about photosynthesis is that leaves reflect all the green light and do not use green light in photosynthesis. The truth is that leaves typically absorb half or more of the green wavelengths, and green light is used fairly efficiently in photosynthesis. Most leaves do reflect more green light than other colors so leaves appear green to our eyes.

The misconception about green light use in photosynthesis arises because of the chlorophyll absorption spectrum printed in many botany and biology textbooks. The chlorophyll absorption spectrum is made using a spectrophotometer and chlorophyll extracted into a test tube of an organic solvent such as acetone. The chlorophyll solution does absorb relatively little green light compared to red and blue, however, chlorophyll solution in a test tube behaves differently than chlorophyll in a leaf. In plants, chlorophyll occurs in highly structured chloroplasts, which are in complex plant cells. In a test tube, the light passes right through the chlorophyll solution so the chlorophyll has one chance to absorb a green light particle or photon. In leaves, a chlorophyll molecule in a highly structured chloroplast has many chances to absorb a green photon because the unabsorbed photon can be reflected repeatedly from chloroplast to chloroplast many times increasing its chances of being absorbed. There are also accessary pigments, the carotenoids, which can absorb green photons and pass the energy to chlorophyll.

In terms of your experiment, it may be that the green filter you used reduced the amount of light much more than the red filter. The human eye is not a good judge of the exact color makeup of the light nor the total amount of light the plant is receiving. You need an instrument called a spectroradiometer to determine the exact color composition of the light and a quantum sensor to measure the amount of photosynthetically active radiation or PAR provided.

David Hershey

Reference:

Salisbury, F.B. and Ross, C.W. 1985. Plant Physiology. Belmont, CA: Wadsworth.


1985 isn't that new... ;)

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Re: Solarstorm 400w organic GFP

Postby Dustydirt » Sat Mar 09, 2013 10:45 pm

Week 6

Sprayed spider mites again with neem, this is the third time. Previous treatments were partially effective just didn't eradicate them completely, there were still a few stragglers. Hopefully it will be ok even if they are not 100 percent gone, as the plant doesn't seem too hindered by them and will be cut in a few weeks. Ill have to then take steps to insure I don't get another outbreak, not sure exactly what to do yet though.

The first picture is of my ailing mums, headband on left and blue dream. Not sure what is causing the yellowing but it does seem worse in older leaves. I just foliar fed with Epsom solution to see if that helps. One thing that stood out to me is that the stems are rather stiff and dark purple, possibly nitrogen deficiency? Also thought perhaps my assistant was overwatering but not sure if that's causing it. Any ideas and help would be great, sorry the pics didn't come out that well.
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Re: Solarstorm 400w organic GFP

Postby SisterMaryElephant » Mon Mar 11, 2013 4:51 pm

I'm not sure that neem oil is recommended past 6 weeks, you might look into a Pyrithium fogger or ask at your local hydro store to see what they suggest so late into flowering. ;)

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Re: Solarstorm 400w organic GFP

Postby Dustydirt » Sun Mar 17, 2013 5:52 pm

Week 7 -- Chemdog update

No more spider mites!! (My assistant calls them dust mites :mrgreen: ) so luckily no need for me to worry about further treatments. They fought a losing battle against the neem. Anyway, I'm so glad that the headache is over.

The buds are developing with renewed vigor--check out the close ups!! seems to work better using my flash. I'm planning on cutting in about two weeks but will keep checking the trichs under my glass...I figured out that the og kush from last harvest was cut early by examining it. Still tastes amazing, a strong musky lemon lime flavor, just not potent. Oh and i dont think i mentioned the headband has notes of Calvin Klein obsession. That's what it reminds me of, no joke. The flavors are more pronounced and complex now that its all been curing. I think the flavor could have been better without the over-fert though.

Mothers are looking better, they have new green growth so I gave them another foliar today.
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Re: Solarstorm 400w organic GFP

Postby Dustydirt » Tue Mar 26, 2013 10:19 am

Week 8

Many leaves are yellowing noticeably and I pulled off some shriveled ones that were ready to go. I think it just means she's finishing up and using food stored in the leaves. Better too few nutes than over nute. There is a lower tier of buds, although much less than last time I'm happy to report. I didn't remove any lower growth, but the more open canopy this time allows more light into the sub-canopy layer. buds down there look better than my previous run. I am considering harvesting the top first and the lowest part later.
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