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New project

PostPosted: Mon Dec 23, 2013 1:41 am
by Purpmonkey
Hey everyone I have returned, had to take a sabbatical before the next round. I pulled in around 6 oz off the last 2 plants.

For Christmas I was given a gift of an ecogrower I set it up today and filled with my brew it is sitting around 62.5 degrees right now and two seedlings in.I'm running lucas at half strength for the first 2 weeks since I have never ran any kind of hydro. I allowed the E.G. To run with the brew in it at 5.6 ph for 24 hours before putting my seedlings in to it. Light is on 24/7 room temp is flucuates between 68 and 73 my humidity has been very low so I have a humidifier in there without the humidifier the humidity is only 23 percent. Now I wait. My tds/ppm meter has not arrived yet but should be here before New Years. I would put up pics but nothing to see yet

Re: New project

PostPosted: Mon Dec 23, 2013 12:53 pm
by Purpmonkey
Day 1 seems to be successful, rez temp still 62.5 all drip emitters working properly. I'm excited I will be growing my own new breed the Hairy skywalker, it is a cross between skywalker og feminized female plant and a male (herojuana x pure kush). I hope they end up as females. I have a couple of plants in dirt as well but they may have to stay in veg to become mother plants . After all I need some practice making cuttings. They are red dragon x 2 purple dream x 1 and an auto flower blue cheese that has already developed flowers and is around 10-12 inches tall with long internodes. I think I will have to get more of the blue cheese I like how short and quickly it grows 4 weeks and it popped out the first flower.

Re: New project

PostPosted: Mon Dec 23, 2013 7:20 pm
by SisterMaryElephant
Welcome back PM!

Of course you can post pics of your setup/room/mothers/cuttings/clones, there's always something to see. ;)

Re: New project

PostPosted: Mon Dec 23, 2013 9:31 pm
by Purpmonkey
It's all the same except for the EG, I bought the solis tek but after everything arrived I was going to modify ventilation but decided I don't want to run it in such a small space or run new electrical to make it safe to run.


so for now I will run the ss400. My plants in dirt I will take cuttings from as they are experiencing difficulties, I thought about just cutting at the base and taking the whole plant above dirt but I'm not sure how well that would work.

The soil I bought says it has GH nutes in it but I'm pretty sure it barely has any of that and I can't get the ph above 6 in the soil. I think it must be made for outdoor container gardening where ph wouldn't really matter.

What are your thoughts about taking the whole plant as a cutting?

Would it be easier to to take individual cuttings?

Do they need a rooting gel?

I was thinking about getting some superthrive for this grow any experiences with it?

Temp in my room is now 73 res temp 65 and holding.
Ph stable at 5.8 seedlings are very small but it's just day 2.


I think I will enjoy using the eg my only concern is draining it and I just filled with RO and mixed nutes in the eg but when there are roots down there It will be a long process of draining it. I think I will need to find a way to elevate it from the ground but the floor is so cold it keeps the res temps down so I'm conflicted till probably February when I should be able to buy a chiller

I will get some pictures up after Christmas time is over with and they will probably be pink pictures. But what is in dirt I will take out and show you how bad they look.

Re: New project

PostPosted: Tue Dec 24, 2013 2:00 am
by Purpmonkey
Ok, decided to stay up late and work on pictures of my sad dirt plants. I have decided dirt is not great without the sun because it's like a box of chocolate never know what your gonna get sorry for the forest gump analogy but it fits the situation very well and so I wasn't sure where to start on nutes and how much to give them and I'm working to get ph correct from the very beginning ....not cool it's like a battle from the gate

Re: New project

PostPosted: Tue Dec 24, 2013 2:11 am
by Purpmonkey
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Re: New project

PostPosted: Tue Dec 24, 2013 1:50 pm
by SisterMaryElephant
So....is the pH under control now? ;)

I see multiple deficiencies but I don't know if it's pH or nutrient based.

Here, browse this old Overgrow GrowFAQ and read the sections on pH in soil:
GrowFAQ : GrowFAQ Basic Topics
You'll also see a cool plant abuse chart that will give you important info too...

You can take whole tops of plants as a cutting but you would be better off taking several smaller cutting to make sure some of them live and it'd be better if they were healthier before taking the cuttings. It is up to you though. ;)

Re: New project

PostPosted: Tue Dec 24, 2013 3:50 pm
by Purpmonkey
I definitely would not say the ph is under control, I can feed 6.8 in all day but I'm lucky to get a six out of any of them.

I got my money back on the bag of dirt and if I can get clones off of the ones I have it will be exciting.

Right now I may just keep them under 24/0 I may try to bonsai them until spring time when they can make there way outdoors, after all there's nothing Mother Nature can't fix.

They are all tall enough right now to flower (under led) but it's way cold outside, ice is just melting off the trees lol

This is my biggest problem with dirt inside is controlling the ph of the soil, you almost have to send off a sample to have it tested. Well now I have my first hydro system so dirt will become an outside only thing as I should be, my res temp is sitting at 63.5 and a ph of 5.8 seedlings are growing quickly much quicker than in dirt, no roots showing through the coco tek liners yet hopefully soon,



My "brew" consists of 10 gallons of distilled water
30 ml of GH micro
50 ml of GH bloom
5 ml rapidstart had a free sample figured I should go ahead and use it up.

I will have to check that out in my spare time, I always appreciate all the advice and start with hydro I'm sure I will need some lol.

Hope the holidays treat you, your family and loved ones well!

Re: New project

PostPosted: Tue Dec 24, 2013 5:24 pm
by SisterMaryElephant
So why not try 7+ in or adding something (and/or transplant to bigger pots) that will raise the pH in the soil? If you repot with better amended soil be sure to remove as much of the old soil as you can without getting rough. Dunking them in pH adjusted water +10% nutrients + worm/mycos tea will gently wash them off as much as possible, then you can repot with better soil that's already closer to the right pH.

I'd repot them and give them a week or two to recover but if you wanted to take a few cuttings now you can try it. You might have more of them die on you than if they were healthy so take extras.

Either you should flower them under the LED (how old are they?) or keep them vegging until spring and put the outside until october which means they'd be monster sized by then. You still need to give them good conditions outside if you want healthy quality plants.

They *do* make pH "probe" type meters for soil, I don't know how accurate they are but they sell them at home depot/walmart/garden centers/hydro shops for cheap.


I think hydro is easier once you get it setup and dialed in, then it's just measure, test, repeat.

Once you get roots that hit the water up the dosage closer to 6-12/gal instead of the 3-5 you run now. ;)


Merry Christmas!

Re: New project

PostPosted: Wed Dec 25, 2013 1:19 am
by Purpmonkey
I haven't tried a stronger ph purely because I didn't want to lock everything the other direction. I just transplanted into the smart pots as they were getting close to being root bound in their original containers.

First I will try a higher ph for the next couple of weeks and see how it goes.


Is it possible to flower them outside before our daylight hours reach back above 12/12? Seems to me it would signal to the plants that the season was almost over and to hurry up and flower that way it will be ready late spring, might have to signal flowering inside and then finish outdoors, monster plants outside is not really a possibility, I truly wish it was but for now things are the way they are